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To impeach or not to impeach...

Created on: 12/07/19 04:45 PM Views: 7505 Replies: 203
RE: To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Friday, January 31, 2020 12:09 PM

"A hostage of hope."  -- Cory Booker

 
To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Friday, January 31, 2020 01:11 PM

"In America truth matters."

Do U.S. Senators want to hear the truth now, or are they content to let it dribble out?

Senators will be asked why they didn't pursue the truth.

What does the Constitution require of Senators who took an oath to do impartial justice?  
Senators will be held accountable.

 
Edited 01/31/20 01:53 PM
To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Friday, January 31, 2020 02:13 PM

the pressure is on John Bolton...

the moment is now for him to tell his story...

the chain of command is broken when the CIC commands lawlessness...

 
Edited 01/31/20 02:31 PM
RE: To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Friday, January 31, 2020 04:27 PM

NPR is reporting that Marie Yovanovitch has retired from the Foreign Service.

 
To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Friday, January 31, 2020 04:51 PM

The Senate voted to block the motion to call witnesses.  
The Senate turned away from truth.

51 Republicans willfully voted, "No" to more facts.  

Mitt Romney and Susan Collins voted "Yes" for evidence with
45 Democrats and 2 Independents.

 
Edited 01/31/20 06:19 PM
To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Friday, January 31, 2020 04:51 PM

Republicans echo Lamar Alexander: "He did it, so what!"

Today's vote against witnesses and documents is a failure for democracy. 

 
Edited 01/31/20 07:30 PM
To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Friday, January 31, 2020 04:52 PM

What happens next?  
The Senate is on break, will be back in session this evening.

 
Edited 02/01/20 10:44 AM
RE: To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Friday, January 31, 2020 05:07 PM

The night is young.

Tonight's the night for John Bolton to speak to the American people.  
He has important information to share and he's stringing us along.

 
RE: To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Saturday, February 1, 2020 02:09 AM

"It's worse than a crime, it's a blunder."

There is disappointment and anger among the American people.

Trump, as a matter of fact, has been found guilty.  
He has acknowledged his lawlessness,
yet Senators shrink from their oath to do impartial justice.
Republicans are complicit in the coverup.

Censure remains a possibility.  
 

There are new DNC Debate Rules.

Brexit has been accomplished.

 
RE: To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Saturday, February 1, 2020 07:35 AM

We are in a dangerous situation.
Republican Senators have covered up the depth of Trump's abuse of power because they say they already know Trump is guilty.  
There will be profound repercussions.  
Lamar Alexander minimized Trump's lawlessness... eating at the roots of our democracy...
Lamar ignored his oath to do impartial justice.

Censure is critical for Trump, he shows no remorse.

 
RE: To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Saturday, February 1, 2020 10:21 AM

We observed gross misconduct in the U.S. Senate.  
The Senate lost its accolade as the world's greatest deliberative body and our government lost its balance of power.

Already historians are challenging Lamar Alexander for weakness: he tweeted a 15 tweet thread demonstrating his willingness to look the other way and block witnesses and documents to hide the whole truth from Americans.

*Last night more documents became available: White House Budget Office emails revealing Trump's activity asking about and deciding on Ukraine aid.

 
RE: To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Saturday, February 1, 2020 11:16 AM

Carol, please take a look at your January 28, 2020  01:37 PM post on this thread:

"Nothing in the Bolton revelations, even if true, would rise to the level of an abuse of power or an impeachable offense," said Dershowitz.

There are lots of Dershowitz quotes out there - you're relying on Dershowitz and posting his quotes.

 
RE: To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Saturday, February 1, 2020 01:03 PM

Janis...I've got to believe there's a point you're trying to make here, but I'll be darned if I can figure out what it is.  Yes, I posted a direct quote by Alan Dershowitz...I did so in response to your claims that none of the President's counsel mentioned Bolton.  Yes, there are a lot of Dershowitz quotes out there, and then there are a lot of words being attributed to him that he simply didn't say (such as yours).  If you're going to put quotation marks around a statement you're attributing to someone, you'd damn well better make sure they said it.  Lastly, as seems to be a common practice of the left, don't surmise you know what I'm thinking and relying upon.  I posted that one quote by him and do not rely upon him for the truth.  Believe it or not, I check my facts.

 
RE: To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Saturday, February 1, 2020 01:25 PM

So what do you think if Attorney Cipolloni was in the Oval Office with Trump and Bolton, and then as Trump's defense counsel, lied about what he witnessed and participated in?

 
RE: To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Saturday, February 1, 2020 01:57 PM

Pat Cipolloni is a fact witness.

 
RE: To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Saturday, February 1, 2020 03:03 PM

Constitutional scholars slammed Dershowitz (who was a Criminal Law professor).  
Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of UC at Berkeley, law school, said he thought Dershowitz's argument was "absurd and outrageous." "It means that a president could break any law or abuse any power and say that it was for the public interest because the public interest would be served by his or her election."
Sanford Levinson, U of Texas law professor, said Dershowitz's argument was "on its face, preposterous." While candidates for office office "make a variety of deals that they would prefer not to in behalf of the good cause" of their election, "we rely on a certain moral compass."

Dershowitz also said: "The president is the executive branch. He is irreplaceable."
Dershowitz posted a slew of tweets in defense of his argument in the face of intense backlash, but his attempt at offering clarity by claiming his words were being misconstrued was pushed back on too. "Dershowitz's performance changed the whole dynamic of the impeachment hearing."

 
To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Saturday, February 1, 2020 05:00 PM
 
 
Look Janis, let's not play your little games here.  You want to make this a personal debate about the real facts, you and me, happy to oblige...
 
When you've questioned/challenged me, I stand by what I say and render the basis which brought me to state it (I listen, Google, and pace before posting).  These responses are often ignored and/or met with a contrived challenge/deflection about something which has nothing to do with the question you asked me or my answer. The first point (ignore) can be best demonstrated when you asked me what President Trump has accomplished.  Why, I posted probably the longest post ever in the NW64 forums (there were a lot of accomplishments!) without acknowledgement. As to the second point we need only go back to your most recent challenge regarding Dershowitz quotes and, after I answered, you come up with "So what do you think if Pat Cipolloni..." committed a grave sin (italics my own).  Well, DUH, then let's hang the b-----d! Emoji  Now, when I question/challenge you, yep, it's the same thing; i.e., when I asked you to validate the quotes you attributed to Alan Dershowitz, you present my quote and say there's a lot of quotes out there.  I have witnessed the same ruses being used by the House managers.  Heck, they trip over each other trying to get up there and make fools of themselves. :-)
 
When it comes to Trump, it seems to be a tendency that if the results don't go the way of the far left, those results are illegitimate.  We have an illegitimate president.  The Electoral College is illegitimate because it elected Trump.  The Senate impeachment trial is now illegitimate because the Senators voted against witnesses.  And it seems to be a tendency to point out real or supposed wrongdoing by Republicans that you're blind to in your party.  What they find impeachable for one, they deny, hide, ignore and even shield in their own.
 
So let's talk about the fairness of and truth in this entire impeachment sham; a sham perpetrated on the American people.  For over three years now, the far left has been involved in consistent persecution of the duly elected President of the United States.  They have tried to destroy him and his family.  They were finally confident they'd have their way with him with the release of the Mueller report (I wonder if they took any polls).  Curses, foiled again.  They then shifted their focus on Ukraine.  Nancy Pelosi took upon an impeachment inquiry without of House vote.  And so it began in the dark corridors of a secured basement room.  Both in private and public, they called 17 (or 18 depending on school of thought) witnesses (while the Republicans were forbidden their witnesses as irrelevant) and 28,000 pages of documents and records were submitted to the Senate.  They chose not to call a number of witnesses due to the "national emergency" nature of the accusations.  They based their ironclad case on those witnesses and documents and impeached the President delivering the two Articles of Impeachment (with pomp and circumstance) to the Senate for trial.  And you say the Senate trial is unfair???
 
In the Senate, each side was given 24 hours to present their cases.  But lo and behold if another "bombshell" didn't come out to bolster their case in the 11th hour.  (Sound familiar?  As in the Kavanaugh hearings.)  Now all focus is on the testimony of one man whose story conflicts that of the President.  (During the House hearings their golden boy was Sondland who didn't come through for them.)  I have to give them an A for cleverness though...When the calling of witnesses was voted down, Schumer presented them in amendments.  First a list and then just Bolton.  Both were tabled by a vote.  Of course, in their eyes the Bidens' testimony would be irrelevant to the impeachment, even though he's being accused of digging up dirt on them.  (How far would he have to dig considering Biden had already covered his face in mud by bragging about his qu pro quo.)  The whistle blower is unnecessary, even though it was that American hero who started it all.  The IG report was not released.  I myself just wanted to see Schiff squirm under oath.  But in their, and your, eyes the trial was a blemish on all that America and the Constitution stand for because John Bolton couldn't testify.  BS!  If he is acquitted Wednesday, he is vindicated.
 
During this impeachment farce a great deal came out about the Biden's Ukraine corruption, and the DOJ released confirmation that there was abuse of the FISA Court in the surveillance of the Trump campaign.  Not one word of acknowledgement on these facts. 
 
Janis, all the hyperbolic rantings you post here have nothing to do with facts.  You seem to post everything that pops into your head without thinking.  You and the far left leaders involved with this impeachment farce hate Trump.  You have never accepted that Hillary lost the election to him.  That's fine and well (not for your souls), but you have no business to try to undermine the results of the 2o16 election and taint the 2020.
 
There's a moral fabric that has made this country of ours great, and the far left is trying to pull those threads out one at a time.  Just so we know what we're in for with continuous persecution, Elizabeth Warren has said if she's elected she'll appoint special counsel to conduct more investigations on Trump while he was President.
 
I've now said everything I ever have to say to you.  Truth is, I have nothing more to say on the subject.

God Bless America

 
Edited 02/03/20 10:58 AM
RE: To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Saturday, February 1, 2020 05:29 PM

What moral fabric is Trump wearing?
The emperor has no clothes.

 
RE: To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Monday, February 3, 2020 11:46 AM

There should be a vote on the facts for Republicans like Lamar Alexander...

The facts condemn Trump.

Documents and evidence will continue to pile on an unremorseful president.

 
RE: To impeach or not to impeach...
Posted Monday, February 3, 2020 12:04 PM

The power of the president is the power to persuade.

Will justice be done?

 
 
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