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Janis Kliphardt Emery
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RE: To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Monday, January 13, 2020 06:29 PM Mitt Romney would like to hear from John Bolton (among other witnesses); he will vote "yes" for witnesses. Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham have lotsa words to eat. Senators take an oath to be an impartial juror in impeachment trials. |
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Janis Kliphardt Emery
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RE: To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Monday, January 13, 2020 08:39 PM Momentum is growing for witnesses and documents in the Senate trial. |
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Carol Helen Kretschmar Riffner
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RE: To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:39 AM Just for the fun of it...
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Janis Kliphardt Emery
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To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Thursday, January 16, 2020 02:31 PM Trump's Impeachment Case is now in the Senate. Wednesday afternoon, the House Sargeant-at-Arms escorted the House Impeachment Managers who gave notice to the Senate, and today they were escorted again into the Senate Chambers and Adam Schiff introduced the Articles of Impeachment to the U.S. Senators. The truth will be known whether Republicans like Lindsey Graham care to hear the evidence. All the Senators will take the oath to do impartial justice. Chief Justice John Roberts was escorted to the Senate by the Senate Sargeant-at-Arms and was then escorted into the Senate chamber by Senate Judiciary members Senators Graham, Chair; Leahy; Blunt; Feinstein, and he was sworn in by the president pro tempore of the Senate, Senator Grassley, to preside over the Senate Impeachment Trial. Chief Justice Roberts then gave the oath of office to the Senators for the Trump Impeachment Trial and the 99 Senators present signed the oath book. Mitch McConnell gave notice that the Senator who was absent must be sworn in and sign the oath book; announced pre-trial calendar dates; and took care of housekeeping details to be ready for the Senate trial. |
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Janis Kliphardt Emery
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To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Thursday, January 16, 2020 08:04 PM A summons was sent to the President at the White House. The gravity is upon us to seek fairness and "do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws." |
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Janis Kliphardt Emery
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To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Friday, January 17, 2020 11:37 AM Originally posted Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:05 AM Carol's views on impeachment compel me to respond. This impeachment is justified because the president used the power of his office to attempt to get the Ukraine government to investigate Trump's political rival. In other words, to assist Trump in preparing for the 2020 election. Had Trump asked the Ukraine president to pay Trump $50 million personally in order for Ukraine to get American military assistance, even Republicans would admit that was an impeachable offense. Yet what Trump did was worse--he delayed and threatened to hold back military assistance to a nation in a hot war with Russia, to gain a personal political advantage in our upcoming election. In doing so he already distorted our 2020 electoral process--weakening Biden's position by creating distrust for "the Bidens" even though no evidence of any mis-deeds exist. In the words Trump often uses---he tried--and has succeeded--in rigging the next election. God bless the whistleblower---who someday will receive high honors from a future administration. It was only because of the whistleblower's courageous action that Trump was forced to release the summary of the "perfect" telephone call. If Trump had done nothing wrong he would have allowed his staff and cabinet officials to testify and produce documents. Lawyers know that a party who stonewalls under these circumstances (to a much greater degree than did Nixon) is hiding something. Even if the impeachment is doomed in the Senate, it is important to set out on the record the self-serving abuse of power Trump has committed. History demands this course of action. And even this president--who lacks critical thinking ability--may ultimately understand that he is not above the law. |
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Janis Kliphardt Emery
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RE: To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Friday, January 17, 2020 05:29 PM Trump has named his impeachment legal defense team. |
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Janis Kliphardt Emery
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RE: To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Friday, January 17, 2020 09:18 PM Corroborating evidence continues to emerge... revelation after revelation adds detail to the story... Will the Senators agree on trial rules or will there be chaos in the Senate Chamber on Tuesday? |
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Janis Kliphardt Emery
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RE: To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Saturday, January 18, 2020 05:46 PM Trump's lawyers sent his first formal impeachment response to the Senate: "The articles of impeachment submitted by House Democrats are a dangerous attack on the right of the American people to freely choose their president." Meanwhile, the Senate is preparing for a showdown over witnesses and new evidence. |
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Janis Kliphardt Emery
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RE: To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Sunday, January 19, 2020 10:04 AM The American people are the jury. The U.S. Senate as well as the president are on trial. What kind of government do we want? Do we want checks and balances? Is abuse of presidential power an impeachable offense? Is the Senate Impeachment Trial going to be a fair trial? a pursuit of truth with witnesses and documents ? ? ? thus far blocked by Trump. Are U.S. Senators sincere about their oath to "do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws"? Do we have the rigor to protect and defend the Constitution? The Founders did not envision an irresponsible and impotent Senate. History has its eyes on us. |
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Carol Helen Kretschmar Riffner
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To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Sunday, January 19, 2020 11:48 AM The House voted on and passed the articles of impeachment based upon the "witnesses" and "facts" they brought forth, meaning they felt the facts presented were strong enough to impeach. They didn't want to wait for further witnesses based upon what they considered to be the need to move quickly. (Then, of course, they sat on those articles.) The Senate's job is to review what the House presents and vote. Now they want to drag it out longer trying to impose upon the Senate their duties. Just where do you get that the Senate is on trial??? I personally feel shame on anybody who thinks this whole impeachment process has been constitutional. Just a little aside...I thought the cartoon I posted was a funny depiction of the delivering of the articles of impeachment. How could I know that the actual event was an even funnier cartoon? |
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Janis Kliphardt Emery
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RE: To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Sunday, January 19, 2020 04:29 PM Have you studied Constitutional Law and read Raoul Berger's book on impeachment? What is the source of the authority by which you speak? It is the Senate's responsibility to act as a trial jury, to hear all the evidence, review the documents, and render a fair and impartial verdict on the articles of impeachment. Senators have taken the oath and signed the oath book to do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws. The Senators are on trial because they have not taken responsibilty for oversight and already have failed to honor their oath by insisting they will not consider the evidence in the impeachment trial. Senators who allow the President to abuse the power of his office are not fulfilling their oath of office. I think your cartoon is funny, but falls far short of the decorum and seriousness of the impeachment process. |
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Carol Helen Kretschmar Riffner
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To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Sunday, January 19, 2020 05:01 PM Among other infractions (the closed door sessions and not giving the President the opportunity to defend himself) there was no treason, bribery, high crime or misdemeanor and there was not one bit of proof presented before the House. But then, according to Nancy, "Articles of Impeachment Not About ‘Proof’ But ‘Allegations That Have Been Made." I would think none of us would want to be convicted by allegations. Why didn't you concern yourself about the impartiality in the House? Furthermore, the fact that Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders sit on the Senate jury lends itself to partiality. I have read books on it as well, Janis, so don't challenge my knowledge from your high perch. Did you find Nancy's passing out of commemorative pens and the papers being delivered on a silver platter to rise up to the decorum and seriousness of the impeachment process? |
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Janis Kliphardt Emery
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RE: To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Monday, January 20, 2020 01:27 PM "The papers" were NOT delivered to the Senate on a silver platter. Republican and Democratic Committee members had equal access to the hearings in the SCIF. The House passed articles of impeachment which is comparable to a grand jury indictment. The Constitution gives the sole power of impeachment to the House. House members do not take an oath to do impartial justice. "High crimes and misdemeanors" is a phrase that has been used in impeachment proceedings under British Common Law since 1369; it was understood by the framers as abuse of the power given to ministers of the king, and they were called high crimes and misdemeanors because they were powers the common man did not have. Alan Dershowitz is a celebrity lawyer who argued that abuse of power was fundamental in the Clinton Impeachment Trial. He's argued both sides of this issue. |
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Carol Helen Kretschmar Riffner
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RE: To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Monday, January 20, 2020 02:51 PM I have a question for you, Janis...The House dems had free rein to call witnesses; a privilege not afforded to the Republicans (heck, they weren't even free to ask the questions they chose). The House felt comfortable and confident enough with the case they brought to impeach the President. Why then would they require more witnesses than those laid forth in the articles of impeachment? Aren't those articles what the Senate is to vote on? |
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Janis Kliphardt Emery
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To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Monday, January 20, 2020 06:35 PM Carol, where are you getting your information? On the other hand, Ken Starr spent four years investigating Bill & Hillary Clinton with free rein... he began with an investigation into a land purchase (White Water) and then traipsed through every aspect of their lives. By chance, Linda Tripp brought tapes of her phone conversations with Monica Lewinsky to Starr's attention, and Voila! after years of searching he had a toe hold. Trump did not allow first hand witnesses who were called by the House to testify. He gagged former and present members of his administration. That's why one of the articles is Obstruction of Congress. A trial is a search for truth with witnesses and documents. That's what we should expect of a Senate Impeachment Trial. Trump has been indicted for a crime against the American people. Who would expect the people who think Trump has done nothing wrong would be the people who oppose witnesses who could vindicate him? Republicans seem not to be interested in the truth, rather to protect a man who has lied more than 16,000 times during his brief tenure. If Trump's abuse of power is not impeachable, what is? McConnell and the Republican Senators see it as their mission to hide the evidence of Trump's abuse of power from the American people, belying their oath to do impartial justice. You seem willing to walk through fire for Trump... what are his redeeming qualities? |
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Janis Kliphardt Emery
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RE: To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Monday, January 20, 2020 08:32 PM In the long run, the Republican coverup of Trump's abuse of power, orchestrated by Mitch McConnell, in spite of the oath all Senators took to do impartial justice, will not only tarnish the legacy of individual Senators, it will more than tarnish the Republican Party. The Question is no longer Convict or Acquit ? the question is fair trial or coverup ? |
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Janis Kliphardt Emery
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To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Tuesday, January 21, 2020 10:26 AM This is America: NO ONE is Above the Law and that's what this trial is about! How do we deal with a president who abuses presidential power? We need a fair trial with witnesses and documents. |
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Carol Helen Kretschmar Riffner
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RE: To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:01 AM Silly for us to debate, Janis, as each of us is convinced we are right. I will, however, reply to your comment that I'm willing to walk through fire for President Trump. Quite honestly, I wouldn't walk through fire for anyone. I'm fully aware of his flaws, but support him because of all he's accomplished. You, on the other hand, seem to hate him no matter what he's done--or hasn't done. That kind of bitterness isn't something I'd like to have to live with. |
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Janis Kliphardt Emery
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To impeach or not to impeach... Posted Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:15 AM I hate no one. I love my country. What has Trump accomplished? |
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