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10/29/19 05:07 PM #1322    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Without Congressional action, Trump eliminated FAA regulations thereby authorizing the FAA to green light Boeings' application for their 737 MAX without appropriate investigation.

How many people died for "Trump being Trump"?

 


10/30/19 11:00 PM #1323    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

The Nationals are World Series Champions!

after an amazing series and season -

Never say die.

There are lotsa happy people in D.C.

Washington is united and celebrating!

Nats' victory and Halloween tomorrow.

 


10/31/19 10:25 AM #1324    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

former Republican Justin Amash tweeted:

"This president will be in power for only a short time, but excusing his misbehavior will forever tarnish your name.  To my Republican colleagues: Step outside your media and social bubble.  History will not look kindly on disingenuous, frivolous, and false defenses of this man."


"We are all on trial."  -- Jon Meacham 

The House vote today approved guidelines and procedures for open session in the impeachment probe (which will begin when the Republican and Democratic committee members working behind closed doors complete the impeachment inquiry).

Open session will begin in a week or two (maybe November 13th).  Trump will have due process: the opportunity to participate in the probe and for his lawyers to present his defense.  We should all listen to the evidence for ourselves.

 


10/31/19 11:46 PM #1325    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Has anyone seen Pete Buttigieg, candidate for Democratic presidential nomination, and Brad Stevens, Boston Celtics coach, in the same place at the same time?  
They are recognized as "doppelgängers"... so on Halloween, played along with the joke by dressing up as the other.

Though not likely to roam the sidelines of an NBA arena any time soon, Pete Buttigieg, standing with his arms crossed, wearing a sport coat and Celtics cap, tweeted, "Game on."

And not likely to be seen traveling around Iowa and New Hampshire stumping for votes: a photo response of Brad Stevens in a white shirt and blue tie, sleeves rolled up and arms outstretched.

In a time that has spawned a new generation of witches, I grabbed my broom and tried it for a spell.

 


11/01/19 11:40 AM #1326    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Why is Trump ditching 5th Avenue as his primary residence?

Could the possibility of 5th Avenue being renamed Obama Avenue be part of the reason?  No doubt there are tax benefits to making Mar-a-Lago his primary residence, not to mention Florida is a swing state when it comes time to vote.

 


11/01/19 11:58 AM #1327    

 

David St. Pierre Bantz

New York is investigating Trump for a series of financial crimes and seeks his tax records, so Trump may anticipate hindering them by becoming a non-resident fugitive.

Maralago is likely more valuable than his NY residence. Trump may hope to keep the more valuable "home" when he or one of his shell companies again faces bankruptcy and asset forfiture.

Just plausible guesses of course.


11/01/19 12:52 PM #1328    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

plausible and interesting... thanks, David,
good to hear from you.

 

It's fall back weekend.

 


11/02/19 07:26 PM #1329    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

straight from the mouth of a Trump supporter:

"President Trump and Rush Limbaugh tell the truth. So do I."

"I believe in President Trump and all that he stands for and has done to Make America Great Again."

"Anyone who understands capital enterprise would understand Trump's greatness."

"You've been misled... Strange goings on in there (behind closed doors)."

 

The Trump supporter and I disagree on reality.

Uniting the country should be a primary goal for a president - Trump does his best to divide the country.

Overheated rhetoric does not help our republic.

(As to business acumen: How many times has Trump declared bankruptcy?

(There's no independent counsel (like Ken Starr) - that's why there's a behind closed doors investigation inquiry which includes depositions regarding the whistleblower's claims.

(More serious than "strange" was when 23 Republicans, some of whom should have been in the meeting as members of the committees deposing a witness, stormed the SCIF with their cell phones and boxes of pizza.

       - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Trump has launched his "He's no Mr. Nice Guy, but sometimes it takes a Donald Trump to change Washington" campaign.

 

"Truth, details, and facts are Trump's greatest enemies."    
-- Frank Figliuzzi

 

Be grateful for an extra hour of rest tonight. ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️  Goodnight Moon🌝

the 🐄 jumped over the🌙

 


11/03/19 09:01 PM #1330    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Have you heard the Honey Drippers' single released on Alaga Records in 1973❓

"Impeach the President" 

The protest song has a great funk sound, with the band calling out over and over "impeach the president".
The Honey Drippers' song was re-released to iTunes by Tuff City Records in 2017.


   

   Some people say that he's guilty (that he's guilty)

   Some people say I don't know (I don't know)

   Some people say, give him a chance (give him a chance)

   Aw, some people say, wait till he's convicted (till he's convicted)

 

   Impeach the President    repeat 4 x  

 

   Aw, yeah

   Behind the walls of the White House

   There's a lot of things that we don't know about  

   Behind the walls of the White House

   There's a lot of things that we should know about

 

   Impeach the President (Aw, yeah)

   Impeach the President

   Impeach the President

   Impeach the President (Yeah)

 

   Impeach the President    repeat 4 x

 

 


11/04/19 02:00 PM #1331    

Stewart Myrent

Just finished another new release, "Audience of One: Donald Trump, Television, and the Fracturing of America", by James Poniewozik, chief television critic of the NY Times.  This is one of the most fascinating books I have read.  I would recommend this book to everyone.  If you struggle to understand Trump's actions, or words, you will have a way better understanding of his psyche, & even if you already feel that you understand Trump's actions/deeds/words, I would still recommend reading it.  Trump is the same age as we (although he is slightly older than I) & he grew up in the age of television, as did we.  But, he didn't turn out as we did.  Why?  If you want to find out, read the book.  I want to apologize upfront about the length of this post, but I am recounting some of the most salient portions.  To wit: from Episode 2, "The Least Objectionable Program", "The mid-twentieth century mass-media took a country of regional cultures, dialects, and art forms and introduced a monoculture.  At the same time that the Interstate Highway System was bypassing local byways and national chains were selling the same goods and fast food coast to coast, TV gave us national news, national amusements, and national obsessions.  There was even a national voice, in the mid-Atlantic neutral-speak of TV hosts and anchors."  And, "The ideal TV show of the time was what Paul L. Klein, an audience-measurement executive at NBC, referred to in 'TV Guide' as the 'Least Objectionable Program', or charmingly, the LOP.  The LOP was a kind of programming whose chief goal was negative: 'Never give the viewer a reason to change the channel.'  It was fine if a show was unexceptional as long as it was unexceptionable."  In other words, entertainment that would appeal to the largest mass (%) of the mass culture.  A major portion of this chapter is devoted to the fact that until about 1980, television was controlled in every aspect: news, sports & entertainment, by the 3 major networks, but after 1980, cable & satellite exploded.  "In 1980, according to Nielsen, about 20% of American TV households had cable or satellite TV, by the end of the century it was 76%."  And because of the plethora of channels, the viewing public became more fragmented.  From Episode 3, "Monopoly": "Trump's early 80s TV appearances offered a soft-spoken version of his later, bellicose reality-TV character.  He created a version of his aspirational self  that the mass audience would accept.  They would accept greedy and competitive if it was insouciant and entertaining.  They would accept ostentation and arrogance if you put on a show, with a half-grin that told them you understood that it was a show.  They would accept extravagance and self-indulgence if you let them share it vicariously.  They'd laugh off boasting and lying if you telegraphed that you were a rascal, because that let them tell themselves they were smart enough to get the joke."  From Episode 4, "As Himself": "But if you believe that he was primarily a celebrity who leveraged his fame into business, then the 1990s were a defining period of his career - maybe more so than the 1980s.  In the 1980s, Donald Trump was a businessman who used celebrity as a helpful promotional device.  By the 1990s, he was a celebrity whose calling card was the ability to play the figure of a businessman.  He would leverage that performance - the self as a character, wearing the Halloween costume of a mogul - to make himself a reality-TV star in the 2000s and a politician in the 2010s.  And the 1990s were when playing 'Donald Trump' became his full-time job."  From Episode 5, "The Dark Side", talking about a drama series that debuted on Fox network in 04/96, called "Profit", about a shameless (& psychopathic) businessman, but noting that it did not become a big hit: " 'Profit' was canceled after 4 airings.  America was not ready for an amoral, damaged businessman whose shamelessness made him powerful and whose psyche was formed by television.  Yet."  In Episode 6, "Money Money Money Money", talking about reality TV shows, "The stakes in these shows were not life and death.  But their philosophy vibed with a certain sharp-elbowed spirit of the age.  It's a cutthroat, zero-sum world they said.  For you to win, someone has to lose, and when someone else gains, it's at your expense.  Maybe you have to cheat and lie, but aren't you doing it for the right reasons?  To feed your kids?  To achieve your dreams?  To find someone to love?  Then get out there and do what you've got to do.  Sometimes you have to work the dark side."  And talking about "Survivor", "...which premiered on CBS in May 2000...The first season's master of the 'social game' was corporate consultant Richard Hatch, who would become the first of many reality-TV antiheroes.  He was openly gay - a rarity on network TV in 2000 - and he stood out early on for his habit of striding around the beach naked.  His torso pale and fleshy, his nethers pixellated for prime time.  But above all he was first to crack the idea that the key to this game was not wilderness skills but shamelessness  and the will to flout social norms: to lie, to make alliances and break them, to convince people that it's in their interest to hold their nose and work with you until you no longer needed them.  In the finale, his vanquished opponents awarded him the million bucks in spite of this, or rather because of it.  They recognized that he outplayed them."  And, "The author Fran Lebowitz would later say that Trump was 'a poor person's idea of a rich person.'  But that's exactly what reality TV is about.  'The Bachelor' is a lonely person's idea of love. 'Survivor' is a shut-in's idea of nature.  'The Apprentice' didn't need a businessman.  It needed the idea of a businessman.  That was Donald Trump.  It was the entire point of him.  He spent a lifetime in symbiosis with television, adopting its mtabolism, learning to feed its appetites.  Now, finally, he would merge with it."  "His catchphrase, that curt 'You're fired', combined the ethos of reality TV and Trump's mythmaking as the man with the golden gut who cut through the crap in his drive to have the best.  Maybe it wasn't nice, maybe he weasn't nice, but then, success wasn't nice.  Was being nice going to get you a job in the miserable post-9/11 economy?  Were we going to whip al-Queda's asses by being nice?  No, we had to choose.  With every firing, the show's premise told us, we got closer to perfection, closer to Trump."  And,  "All the theatrical power of TV is invested in making one aging man look desirable, one skinflint look generous, one lucky rich boy look self-made, one checkered business career look flawless, one accumulation of set dressing look like reality."  From Episode 7, "The Paranoid Style in America's Newsroom", "The fragmentation of the audience had happened.  The embrace of the antihero had happened.  All of this happened in the world of celebrity, where Donald Trump began playing the character of rakish billionaire playboy, evolved into the caustic You're Fired Guy.  It happened as well in the world of politics into which he had spun off that character.  This meant that, maybe, where a presidential candidate once had to make a majority comfortable, he could now discomfit an intense enough minority to carry him over one rival, then another, and take their followers with him."  From Episode 8, "The Most Objectionable Program",  talking about Twitter, "It was one microburst after another, a fire hose of non sequiturs.  If TV news was 'Now...this', Twitter was 'thisthisthisthis'.  It was the perfect expressive medium for someone with a minimal attention span who got mad a lot.  It had endless potential for someone who could communicate both as a celebrity (playing yourself as a character) and as a demogogue (in emotions and ALL CAPS).  And along with Facebook, it made easier to do what Fox News et al. did: create a virtual chamber in which everyone thought like you and raised your voices, together, in the communal hymn of Getting Mad on the Internet."  From Episode 9, "Red Light": Talking about Trump's political rallies in 2016, "Journalists at the rallies described attendees who were civil and polite outside the venue, cheerful, chatty, like they were out for a night at a theater or a concert.  Which they were; Trump's crowds often described the rallies, foremost, as entertainment, a good time.  They were used to feeling left out by Hollywood liberals, whom the commentators on Fox News always said should keep their politics to themselves.  But now here was a big star, a genuine TV celebrity, who was on their side, and they loved it.  They couldn't wait for the free show...Trump knew what wound them up; he would later tell his staff that the crowd would roar when he recited the names of Hispanic criminals, making up some names to prove his point."  "The Trump fans were seeing, on stage, what they'd seen on reality shows and Fox News: anger as entertainment.  They were seeing TV, personified."  And, "Trump's campaign ran on reality-TV morality, which deflected conventional attacks of dishonesty (It makes me smart!) and impropriety (I know the crooked system!) and flip-flopping (I did what I had to do!)  When he was called out for hypocrisy - such as giving money to the politicians he now disdained - he owned it as shrewdness.  This argument was Richard Hatch in the first 'Survivor' finale: 'Like me or not, you've got to admire how I played the game.'  It substituted brazenness for truthfulness.  So it didn't hurt Trump that he lied.  A lot.  Blatantly and obviously...'He says what he means', his supporters said, which did not mean, 'He tells the truth'.  It meant he did not consider whether his words were kind or responsible or pleasing - or true - but simply whether he wanted to say them.  That was 'being real', which was better than being honest, more liberating than being tethered to fact.  When he said he saw thousands of Muslims cheering the destruction of the World Trade Center in Jersey City (it never happened) or tweeted a claim that 81 percent of white murder victims were killed by blacks (it was 15 percent) - well, he was right about their 'feeling', that a chaotic brown tide was washing over the world."  And from Episode 10, "The Gorilla Channel": "So imagine it.  You have been consumed by fame all your life.  You grew up with TV.  You wanted to get on TV, so you did.  You prefer TV to reading.  And you prefer TV about you to anything else.  You absolutely burn to know what is being said about you at all times.  Now you live in a time when TV is more readily available than tap water."  "The news is a TV show, 24 hours a day on multiple channels, in which the president is always the star.  You have laways thought that you were the most important person in any room, and now you actually are, and there are talking rectangles affixed to every surface in sight to remind you of it."  And, "At a press conference, Trump insisted that he had separated himself from his private businesses by pointing to a table stacked with manila folders and papers, not unlike the 'Trump steaks' (which he had stopped marketing years earlier) at his campaign press conference.  Staffers blocked reporters from examining them.  They may or have not have had printing on them.  But like the props on a reality show, they conveyed a visual concept: 'Documentation' "  And, "Trump had always fudged his facts.  He got the tabloids to call him a 'Billionaire' when he wasn't one; he added ten phantom stories to Trump Tower and his buyers were glad to agree on the fiction.  He called the practice 'truthful hyperbole'."  And, " 'Enemy of the People' put the press in a double bind.  On the one hand, it framed themas the opposing team from Trump which invited his supporters to disregard any bad news accordingly."  Finally, from "Finale": "Idea of a President", "But there's an entire realm of television that has been mostly outside the scope of this book because it's mostly outside the scope of Trump's life.  This is the TV that, like novels, films, and theater, explores the lives of other people, on the premise that there is value in understanding people other than you besides learning how to beat them."  Talking about other popular TV shows, "They argued for the idea that you could accomplish more working with people than against them, that another person's gain did not mean your loss."  Sorry to run on so long, but I really enjoyed this book.  One more thing.  Janis, thanks for pointing out to "Fall back" this past weekend.  I though it was next weekend, bur I did adjust my clocks this past Saturday night.


11/04/19 04:07 PM #1332    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Stewart, thanks for sharing "Audience of One: Donald Trump, Television, and the Fracturing of America" on the Forum.  I greatly appreciate your contributions and your gift of time. Janis 


11/05/19 09:39 AM #1333    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

The NRA Foundation is raising money by auctioning off guns in schools.  Friends of NRA raffle off guns: semiautomatic rifles and handguns, guns with high-capacity magazines and pump-action shotguns.  Opposition to the events is starting to increase in the face of more mass shootings.

 


11/05/19 02:23 PM #1334    

Stewart Myrent

Janis, thank you for your kind sentiments.  When I went to check my email today on Yahoo, I was surprised to see several stories about Sean Spicer once again not being eliminated from "Dancing With the Stars" & the heat he's been taking on social media for still being there.  Ironically, I have not watched DWTS for several yrs., but I happened to catch their Halloween show, I believe last week.  It was great!  I loved it from the opening number to the end.  I will say that Spicer's performance was probably the lowlight of the show.  In the replay I saw from yesterday, Spicer & his partner were the first couple to be declared "safe" to continue.  So much for building much suspense (except to see which couple would be kicked off the show, instead of Sean & his partner).  On the Halloween show I saw, the judges were being, I thought, brutally honest about Spicer's performance.  But, I get it.  He has NO experience & very little talent, but just keeps going out there.  (I'm pretty sure that Spicer, himself, can't believe he's still there & probably expects to be gone very soon.)  In the stuff I saw today about yesterday's show, it seems like the judges are incredulous that Spicer is still there.  (As I would presume are most fans of the show.)  So, if you actually care who wins DWTS (although I'm not sure why you would), I feel fairly confident that Sean Spicer will NOT win the mirror-ball trophy for this current season.  For two reasons: (1) there are only so many Trump supporters in the country (it is not an infinite number & what % of them are DWTS fans?), and (2) there is no Electoral College on DWTS, it is strictly popular (literally) vote.  However, I have to say that if somehow Sean Spicer pulls out an unbelievable win, I will be slightly more concerned about the results of the 2020 election.  I don't think this whole impeachment process will be over by next Nov. & I am starting to think that to turn Trump out at the ballot box in Nov. 2020, may be better (& easier) & more rewarding (& satisfying) than impeachment.


11/05/19 10:23 PM #1335    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Lindsey Graham speaking on the Senate Floor as Impeachment Trial Manager, Feb 8, 1999:

"Nobody because of their position in society has the right to cheat and to get somebody to lie for them, even as the president.  That means we're not a nation of men or kings. 

We're a nation of laws, and that's what this case has always been about to me ... "

 

Comparison of Graham's comments then and now reeks of hypocrisy.

 

Evidence of Trump's quid pro quo is documented in the deposition transcripts from the House impeachment inquiry.

Lindsey Graham is now a U.S. Senator and Trump supplicant; he says he will not read the transcripts.

It is disappointing / heartbreaking to hear Lindsey Graham (and other office holders) say they are unwilling to work for the American people; he (they) should resign.

Trump supporter Sondland (rewarded with appointment as Ambassador to the EU) has conspicuous memory lapses - he "recalls" some of what "he forgot" in an addendum to his original sworn testimony.  

 


11/06/19 03:34 PM #1336    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

"You can't let that happen to me."   -- Donald Trump pleaded with the crowd...

But it happened.  Incumbent Republican Governor Bevin was defeated in Kentucky.  

 

Witnesses' testimony in the impeachment inquiry is damning.

 

Trump insists he is blameless.

Why then does Trump assert Executive Privilege and bar "exonerating witnesses" from testifying?

***Trump denies that AG Barr declined a request to hold a news conference to clear Trump on his phone call with the Ukrainian president, and to declare he broke no laws.***

 


11/07/19 04:18 PM #1337    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Why do Republicans not respect the Whistleblowers Protection Act?

The whistleblower's claims have been corroborated by so many witnesses, the whistleblower's identity is irrelevant... demanding to know the identity of the whistleblower is a distraction from the truth in front of us.

The country is weakened when the public is manipulated by a lack of respect for the law and contorting the facts to create reality.

The partisan posturing and game-playing is destroying our country.  

Governing is not a competitive sport.

 


11/07/19 08:08 PM #1338    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Michael Bloomberg is preparing for a possible late entry into the 2020 Democratic primaries by meeting the filing deadlines for 2020 presidential candidates.

Voters do not seem as happy as he might have hoped about his entry.

Apparently there are others also considering meeting the filing deadlines for 2020 presidential candidates.

TICK TOCK...

 


11/08/19 10:03 AM #1339    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

"Trump alone tells the truth.  He's accountable to no one.  His goal: to save us from corruption and crooked people and fake news."   -- Trump

The way Trump talks about Americans and our country is disgraceful.  There's no one he wouldn't throw under the bus.  He doesn't want to hear from people he doesn't know...

he won't let people he knows testify...

for all the screaming for public hearings, Trump opposes public hearings...

the grievance president flies on his own broomstick...

 


11/08/19 01:03 PM #1340    

Stewart Myrent

Janis, the whistleblower laws were passed for one specific reason: to protect the identities of people who want to come forward & identify those who are breaking this country's laws.  Fairly obviously, Republicans don't give a damn about protecting the identities of these people, who I consider to be patriots.  As one example, look at how these Republicans are trying to destroy the reputation of Lt. Col. Windman.  And these Republicans are the "law & order" party?  How laughable!  Also, don't know much about Michael Bloomberg, but he couldn't possibly be worse than the current CIC.  You also mentioned that "Politics is not a competitive sport".  In real competitive sports, the mantra is "win at all costs", so it seems that politics IS a competitive sport.


11/08/19 01:35 PM #1341    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Politics may be "win at all costs," but

"governing is NOT a competitive sport."

American citizens and politicians are destroying our country.

Name-calling and hyper-partisanship, 

shrinking from truth and losing sight of the common good

are not constructive paths to consensus.

Our founding ideals recognize the reality of disagreement -

We are not called to be a cult of personality,

shame on us for subverting our nation of laws.

Our government does not work without civility

and a commitment to bi-partisan problem solving.

Thank goodness for our non-partisan foreign service officers.

 


11/08/19 10:09 PM #1342    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

On the White House lawn, Trump told reporters the country's never been more unified.

straight from the mouth of a Trump supporter:

"Name just one impeachable offense that President Trump is guilty of.  Answer: NONE"

"It's all an illusion created by the Democrats... destroying our country with all of their lying and corruption."

"You would do well to listen to Rush.  Then make up your own mind.  He doesn't lie."

 

Tune out the spin.  We should listen to the impeachment hearings for ourselves.  "Democracy dies in darkness."  Our Constitution is at stake.

 


11/09/19 10:45 AM #1343    

 

Marvin Irving Blusteln

Just in.  Trump declares weather emergency after having the NOAA declare a blizzard warning for Noember 3. Consequently all federal,  state, and local offices will be closed till further notice.   He further states that NOAA shall lift the emergency status on January 21, 2021.

 

 


11/10/19 09:02 PM #1344    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

British Parliament has been dissolved because a December 12th general election has been called in the UK.  BBC Parliament will air the Trump Impeachment Hearings in full - the world will be watching...

Rep. Jim Jordan will replace Randy Crawford on the House Intelligence Committee for the Impeachment Hearings.  I have great respect for The Ohio State University - I hope Jim Jordan represents himself and his constituents and all of America well and recognizes the seriousness of the hearings.  
Wednesday (11/13) William Taylor, America's top diplomat in Ukraine, and George Kent, Deputy Ass't Secretary of State, will be questioned; and Friday (11/15) Marie Yovanovitch, former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, will testify.

Trump has defied Congress like no president before him.  The House is moving forward rather than drag matters out in court.  The priority is moving forward.

The world will be watching to see if the impeachment hearings are held with decorum or met with a circus defense of a president who forgets why we declared independence from the rule of a king.

"Impeachment is not a coup, it's a Constitutional process."     -- Ezra Klein

 


11/11/19 10:48 AM #1345    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

In honor of our veterans and all American patriots:

"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here (Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, November 19, 1863), but it can never forget what they did here.  It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced.  It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."        -- Abraham Lincoln

Let us all be reminded of what is left for us to do today.
Our country is divided.  
We are in desperate need of role models of high moral character and selfless service - not only highly decorated officers and political leaders, but all of us - citizens who take on our civic duty with purpose.

 


11/11/19 11:30 PM #1346    

 

Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Condoleezza Rice, who served both as GW Bush's National Security Advisor and as his Secretary of State, and has restrained herself from comment during Trump's presidency, made a rare public critique of Trump while speaking at a conference in Abu Dhabi about the reports of an unofficial U.S. policy being carried out in Ukraine.

"What I see right now troubles me."
"This is just not a good thing.  The world shouldn't get confusing messages from the United States of America." Rice described the July 25 call between Trump and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky as "murky, (the call) is really murky.  It is out of bounds for the President of the United States to mention an American citizen for investigation to a foreign leader."

 


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