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01/04/19 10:47 PM #905    

Stewart Myrent

​Thank you for the post, MISTER fuckhead.  I loved it!

01/05/19 09:06 AM #906    


Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Alan, you forgot “Esq.”


The liberal media is complicit in feeding the outrage machine over one U.S. Representative's comment.  There's a glaring double standard re the representative's political affiliation, gender, religion.  Replaying and rehashing the comment is a total distraction to the major issues of the government shutdown and all that Congress should be dealing with..


Parents in Tamaqua, Pennsylvania are suing the school district over policy to arm teachers in the classroom.


01/05/19 12:16 PM #907    


Alan A. Alop

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In a bold gambit to end the government shutdown, the House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi, said on Saturday that she would bypass Donald J. Trump and negotiate directly with the Russian President, Vladimir Putin.

“I owe it to the American people to bring this shutdown to the swiftest possible conclusion, and so I’m avoiding the middleman,” she said.

Pelosi, who is scheduled to board a plane to Moscow Saturday night, said that she had not informed Trump of her plans to deal directly with Putin. “Whatever,” she said.

In an official statement, Putin said that he welcomed Pelosi’s overture and shared her desire to end the shutdown. “At some point, I’d like to visit Yellowstone,” he said.

01/06/19 10:37 AM #908    


Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

January 2, 2019   McSweeney's response to “How does Warren avoid a Clinton redux — written off as too unlikable before her campaign gets off the ground?”  Politico, 12/31/18


"I'm a perfectly reasonable, women-friendly fellow who is completely open to the idea of a woman president.  I have no problem with women.  My wife is a woman, I have daughters...

"I don't hate women candidates -- I just hated Hillary... I'm actually starting to hate Elizabeth Warren.

"...never thought I'd hate anyone as much as I hate Hillary Clinton... Don't get me wrong.  I've heard that Elizabeth Warren is a champion of consumers and the middle class... Nonetheless she rubs me the wrong way...

"I always tell my daughters they can be anything they want, so long as they don't make other people feel uncomfortable.  They can be as ambitious as they want, so long as they do it in an acceptable manner.

"So bring it on, ladies!  I'd love to see a female President.  Just not Hillary.  Or Elizabeth Warren.      I am totally open to all other women leaders... Kamala Harris and Amy Klobuchar are beginning to make me angry and I'm not sure why...

"Reach for the stars, girls!"


Here we go again...

Who said Donald Trump is likeable?  jke



01/07/19 12:48 PM #909    


Alan A. Alop

01/07/19 01:41 PM #910    


Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

“the Pentagon insisted that Trump’s ‘paper or scissors order’ (backtracking from his earlier suggestion that the military should fire upon migrants if they throw rocks) was ‘not a stunt’ but refused to answer how the military would come up with fifteen thousand pairs of scissors on such short notice.”    A. Borowitz 


01/07/19 04:45 PM #911    


Donald Henry Kuehn

Trump’s acting Defense Secretary, Elmer Fudd, has come up with a strategy that observers think flirts with brilliance: running with scissors! Undercover agents will infiltrate migrant caravans and distribute scissors to unsuspecting migrants from South and Central America and then start a stampede by falsely claiming there might be free drinking water available further up the road.


01/08/19 10:50 PM #912    


Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Where are the pesos?

01/08/19 11:26 PM #913    


Alan A. Alop

01/10/19 09:34 PM #914    


Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

"Does Trump govern by purpose or circus?"

Federal workers across the U.S. are protesting the government shutdown.

More House Republicans are voting to re-open parts of the government.

Where is Leader McConnell hiding refusing to take a vote in the Senate?

No matter what happens in his own mind Trump wins!


01/11/19 12:06 PM #915    


Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Earthquakes continue in Alaska.

The shutdown is putting our national security at risk.

Mitch McConnell is the person who can end the government shutdown.

Let the Senate vote. 

Payday: $0.00 paycheck for 800,000 American workers we rely on / not to mention contract workers and the inevitable ripple effect.


01/11/19 04:17 PM #916    


Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Trump has taken America hostage.

The responsibility to re-open the government rests squarely on McConnell's shoulders.

(Trump tabled his emergency declaration - the shutdown drags on for 800,000 federal workers, as well as for contractors, and for all who rely on their services - the pain and suffering ripple across America with no end in sight.)


News of the FBI’s inquiry into whether Trump was secretly working for Russia is gripping.



01/12/19 11:53 AM #917    


Marvin Irving Blusteln


You are right.  This is on McConnell.   I repeat my montra of many months ago,  shame on the McConnell and the republicans, they are not patriots.


01/13/19 09:51 AM #918    


Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

The road ahead, the mountain in front of us will be difficult to cross... I wonder if we were ever one people OR if Donald Trump (and Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter) reveal the great divide that separates us.  

This is bigger than Trump...

it’s all the people who are enabling Trump...

all the people who voted for Trump.  

Uncomfortable as it might be, our politics can no longer remain personal and private lest we enable the destruction of our country.  

We must not be silent.  Democracy requires we engage in political conversation-- which means political discussion is a necessity, not an option.


01/14/19 06:24 PM #919    

Stewart Myrent

​First of all, Janis, I want to congratulate you on the huge wins for "The Kominsky Method" at the Golden Globes.  I know the Foreign Film Critics have a predilection for offbeat stuff; not that there's anything wrong with that.  But I know that you love the show & the big wins must be very satisfying.  Also, I just wanted to mention that, per a previous conversation, I found that certain posts will not be on the same pages for eternity, as I see we are currently on Page 37, whereras before we were up to Page 190-something.  In your recent post you stated, "...our politics can no longer remain personal and private..." & "Democracy requires we engage in political conversation", and "...political discussion is a necessity, not an option."  I agree with your points, which brings me to my current topic.  I asked all conservatives out there, about 3 weeks ago (12/22/18), to answer ONE question, namely, "When was America last great?"  I never got even ONE answer, but I think 3 weeks is enough time to get a reply from ANY conservatives out there.  Or was my question really a stumper?  At the end of my post, I stated about differences between liberals & conservatives, that, "I am starting to think it's the way you were raised.  Or am I totally mis-reading this? Let me know."  No one let me know if I mis-read this.  To get things started, I asked if the 40's or 50's was when America was last great.  I aked if it was the 1900's, or 1860's.  Is it that our conservative brethren & sisterthen don't have even ONE answer to that question?  Or, is it that you pushy/annoying liberals/progressives have finally turned off the conservatives, to the point that they won't even answer that ONE question?  Or are they even participating, any longer, in the Forum?  So, if we need to "Make America Great Again", when was America last great?  I mean, what are we aiming for here?  Conservatives need to respond - liberals need not apply.

01/14/19 08:12 PM #920    


Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Stewart, I have been thinking about you.  I too noticed the foundation of the Forum was chopped from beneath us - or some might say the Forum was chopped back to size.  Unfortunately none of it was archived.  I wish folks had listened when you posted about an archivist.  Don Schwartz for one shared some posts that were well worth saving.  The good news: the posts we were discussing - Post #15 when Kathy Moyes anticipates our 55th and Post #19 when Steve Spitz recalls all that went into planning our 50th remain on the early pages of the Forum as it now exists.  We can hope the Forum does not go through a similar shearing in the future.  

Scott Mermel emailed all classmates that Sharry Rugendorf is planning a 55th in September 2019 and that information and discussion will follow.

As to liberals and conservatives - somehow it’s not only how we were raised that determines our political bent.  There are plenty of families divided by political strife.  I for one have transformed from an Independent leaning Republican to an Independent leaning Democrat.  I look forward to working to elect a Democrat in 2020 but hope not to gratuitously drop FBombs to get her to the White House.  


01/15/19 04:31 PM #921    

Stewart Myrent

​Janis, I appreciated your comments on families with divided loyalties.  I do have a question about, "I look forward to working to elect a Democrat in 2020 but hope not to gratuitously drop FBombs to get her to the White House."  My question is not about you assuming the candidate will be a woman (good tack - I'm all for it!), but the FBombs comment.  What are you referencing, exactly?  Speaking of referencing, I refer to a post by Carol, dated 11/18, "And this, classmates of Niles West 64, is your message forum.  A place where all are made to feel welcome and treated with respect.  A place for comradery and sharing.  A place to escape the stresses of our country and the world.  Are we all having a good time?"  If this is, in fact, our Forum, a forum is defined as "a situation or meeting in which people can talk about a problem or matter, especially of public interest; a forum for debate/discussion."  I believe that most of the comments have been extremely civil & respectful.  I know I try to be respectful & considerate of other's feelings at all times, and hopefully, I achieve that most of the time. but I don't know if there is any REQUIREMENT for a forum to include civility & decorum.  My guess is, in ancient Rome, the Forum Romanum hosted many a debate/discussion that were considerably less than civil.  Is this a Forum, or not?  And how should we define it?  Perhaps, we should consider re-naming it.  Although, if this Forum is going to run its course & end, sometime later this year, why bother?  (BTW, does anyone have any idea when this Forum's run is scheduled to end?)So, I am STILL pondering this question, as to why liberals & conservatives see the same FACTS, but come to totally conflicting conclusions.  WHY?  I need to know.

01/15/19 08:24 PM #922    


Janis Kliphardt (Emery)

Stewart, the crux of the problem is: liberals and conservatives do not agree on what the facts are, i.e. climate change.  

The Constitution designates and defines 3 branches of government: Republican legislators have yielded their responsibility for oversight and given up their power to the executive branch.  


01/16/19 10:51 AM #923    


Marvin Irving Blusteln

I am liberal.   I believe in live and let live.  But, I often find it near impossible to discuss much of anything with conservativess.  I find that are philosophy of life is far apart.

01/16/19 07:44 PM #924    


Donald Henry Kuehn

Pelosi tells Trump to “mail it in”. No State of the Union speech. That makes him an uninvited co-conspirator.


01/16/19 08:33 PM #925    

Stewart Myrent

​Janis - I think you're on to something.  In your last post, you stated. "the liberals and conservatives do not agree on what the facts are, i.e. climate change."  (I love the climate change example - it's a great example.)  But, being what they are (facts), can we say "FACTS are FACTS"?  Facts don't change, unless they are not facts.  Rudy Giuliani has famously stated, "Truth isn't truth."  Then maybe facts aren't facts.  If we all see the same facts, but come to totally different conclusions, than this whole liberal/conservative thing is a matter of perception.  But why are the SAME facts perceived differently by liberals & conservatives.  I still have questions about the whole liberal/conservative conundrum, but I feel like I'm inching closer to a real understanding of it.  (It would help, if there were more conservative voices out there.)  I have to admit, though, that I really don't get it, yet.  Don, I also saw today that Nancy Pelosi formally disinvited Trump from giving his State of the Union addrerss on, I believe, 01/29, due to the gov't shutdown & requested he either re-schedule to a later date, after the shutdown is over, or ala pre-Woodrow Wilson, send it to Congress in writing.

01/16/19 08:48 PM #926    

Stewart Myrent

​One more thing, I don't believe Trump will mail in his State of the Union address, as opposed to postponing it, for 2 reasons: (1) not sure he has the capabilities, or fluency in English, to put together anything more than a couple of pages of disjointed, nonsensical blather (I understand that there are ghostwriters), and (2) I don't believe he would, or could, pass up an opportunity to address, not just Congress (both houses), but the entire nation, in prime time, and it would all be about him.  I could be wrong.

01/16/19 11:20 PM #927    


Alan A. Alop

An "uninvited co-conspirator..."     I like it Don.

01/20/19 04:21 AM #928    

Steven Ray Hirschtick

Did anybody else see the news report about the horribly disrespectful Catholic high school students who abused a Native American Vietnam war vet in DC yesterday?

 This is the Youth of American today??  Disgusting and embarrassing for them.  I just sent of the following letter to them.

I write to the leader of the high school that is responsible for the education of the disrespectful young men demonstrating in Washington DC yesterday.  I am deeply offended upon so many levels.  I spend some time at a Catholic school, as insisted upon by my parents.  They were wrong to force me into a system that fosters the beliefs shown by your students.  I was also in the US Army during the Vietnam war.  Again.........what type of education are you providing to these young men!!??

These students attend your school, under the curriculum and guidance of your they are indeed absorbing the culture and beliefs that your institution fosters.  Shame on all of you.  I was also a professor for some years at a two Jesuit law schools.   I have often donated to a number of Catholic charities.  I am withholding any decisions until I see what, if any, action your school takes regarding this incident.  I strongly support free speech and your students, like every other American does, indeed get to state their views.  But that is not what I saw on the news.  Your students acted out of ignorance and prejudice...............they did not get that from Jesus, so it must be from their parents and your school.  Shame..........shame……..and then more shame.

Professor Steven R, Hirschtick, Captain US Army, ret.

Below FYI is info regarding school that is educating these young men.

Covington Catholic High School
1600 Dixie Highway
Covington, Kentucky 41011-2797
(859) 491-2247
Website:  Grade Range: 9-12 (Boys)
Enrollment: 585
Faculty: 42 Teachers
Tuition 2018-2019: $7,950
Principal: Mr. Bob Rowe

01/20/19 02:47 PM #929    

Stewart Myrent

​Yes, Steve, I did see the very same news report yesterday, about the students from a Catholic H.S. in Kentucky, harassing a native American war vet.  I was extremely disturbed by what I saw, kids (who know virtually nothing about life), taking it upon themselves to harass & disturb a native American.  The fact that he is a war vet, only makes it more disturbing; although, I would be upset, even if he wasn't a veteran of the Viet Nam war.  I don't know, though, if I would have taken the time to communicate with the school, as you did.  Although, I'm assuming that the school has some responsibility in this affair, I have to say that, like you, I presume that this whole incident has way more to do with the way these kids were raised by their parents.  As far as I know, the veteran did not engage in any back-and-forth with these children; I don't know if I would have as much equanimity, if I were in his situation (although I totally get why he kept his cool).  What's wrong with people today?  I suspect that this incident may have had a lot to do with our current CIC, who does not do a creditable job of modeling behavior that exemplifies the norms that we all grew up with, as, as far as I know, these kids were ALL wearing MAGA hats.  I was going to say, when will this all end?  But my guess is that it won't end until Trump is out of office, one way or the other.  For you Trump supporters out there, is this the kind of behavior you expect from the leader of the country, after you've seen the effects of his leadership, on multiple occasions, including Charlottesville, VA?  How is this possibly good for our country?

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